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{{Short description|Meme chart of dating advice from folk clichés to in-jokes}}
{{Short description|Wingman.live chart of dating lore from folk clichés to in-jokes}}
{{Infobox term
{{Infobox term
| name   = Dating iceberg
| name = Dating iceberg
| also   = dating game lore iceberg, Complete Dating Game Lore Iceberg
| also = dating game lore iceberg, dating_iceberg_v2
| field   = Internet folklore / this encyclopedia's index
| field = Internet folklore / index
| origin = Wingman.live chart (dating_iceberg_v2); folk "iceberg" format
| origin = [[wingman.live]] chart (dating_iceberg_v2, 2026)
| related = [[Pickup artist]]; [[Seduction Wiki:Point of view]]
| related = [[Pickup artist]]; [[Seduction Wiki:Point of view]]; [[Authenticity]]
| image   = Dating iceberg v2.png
| image = Dating iceberg v2.png
| caption = Wingman.live dating iceberg (v2); layers 1–6 are mostly folk jokes
| caption = dating_iceberg_v2 — Wingman.live index chart
| alt = Dating iceberg chart in ten layers
}}
}}
The '''dating iceberg''' is a layered chart of dating and pickup lore, from folk clichés above the waterline to in-jokes at the bottom. The version this encyclopedia uses as an index is the Wingman.live '''dating_iceberg_v2''' image (and the matching sorted list): ten layers, with thumbnail jokes in the margin.<ref name="wp">{{cite web |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist |title=Pickup artist |website=Wikipedia |access-date=11 September 2026}}</ref>
The '''dating iceberg''' is a ten-layer chart of dating and pickup lore, from folk clichés above the waterline to Wingman in-jokes on the floor. The version indexed here is '''dating_iceberg_v2''' (Downloads, 8 September 2026), with thumbnail jokes in the margin.<ref name="wp">{{cite web |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist |title=Pickup artist |website=Wikipedia |access-date=18 September 2026}}</ref>


'''The first six layers are mostly jokes''' — things aunts, TikTok, and 2005 forums say. They are not this wiki's method. Real pages live underneath the punchline: [[calibration]], [[qualification (pickup)|qualification]], [[push-pull]], [[direct game]], the [[Newbie assignment]]. Layers 7–10 mix more in-jokes with a few real terms. This page is a map, not a doctrine.
Layers 1–2 are mostly folk advice and pop slang. Layers 3–6 are where named pickup jargon lives — those phrases get articles. Layers 7–10 mix a few real ideas with tongue-in-cheek entries; the jokes stay on this page. Layer 9 includes the line '''“just be yourself” only works if you’ve built a self''' — see [[Authenticity]].


Sister encyclopedia for appearance slang on the chart ([[looksmaxxing.wiki|looksmaxxing]], mewing, bone-smashing, gaitmaxxing, jestermaxxing): that material belongs there, not here.
Appearance slang on the chart ([[looksmaxxing.wiki|looksmaxxing]], mewing, gaitmaxxing, jestermaxxing, bone-smashing) belongs on the sister wiki.


== How to read it ==
== How to read it ==
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
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|-
! Layers !! Waterline !! What it is !! What this wiki does
! Layers !! What it is !! What the encyclopedia does
|-
|-
| 1–2 || Sky / tip || Folk advice ("just be yourself," "be a good listener") and pop slang (situationship, breadcrumbing) || Glossary slang may have pages. Folk advice redirects here. Method is not "be nice."
| 1–2 || Folk / pop slang || Glossary pages or redirect here. Method is not "be nice."
|-
|-
| 3–4 || Upper ice || First contact with real jargon: [[approach anxiety]], [[cold approach]], [[IOI]], [[daygame]], [[negging]], [[push-pull]], [[kino]] || Real articles. Chase still writes the lead.
| 3–4 || First real jargon || Real articles for named terms.
|-
|-
| 5–6 || Mid ice || Named techniques mixed with maxxing jokes: [[disqualification]], [[agree and amplify]], [[cat string theory]], [[The Cube]], [[fractionation]], [[preselection]] || Techniques get pages. Maxxing and passport-bro talk is sister-wiki or a joke.
| 5–6 || Named technique plus maxxing jokes || Techniques get pages. [[Welfaremaxxing]] is the unemployed-vs-go-getter observation. Appearance-maxxing lines belong on the sister wiki.
|-
|-
| 7–8 || Deep ice || In-jokes plus a few real ideas ([[self-qualification]], [[frame (seduction)|frame]] mystique) || Real terms resolve. "Converting to Mormonism" does not get a method page.
| 7–8 || In-jokes plus a few real frames || Real terms resolve. Mormonism does not get a method page.
|-
|-
| 9–10 || Floor || Wingman in-jokes, mystic frames, "there is no game" || Index only. [[wingman.live]] is the product, not an article of faith.
| 9–10 || Floor jokes, mystic frames, wingman.live || Index only, except "built a self."
|}
|}


== Layer 1–2 (folk / pop) ==
== Layer 1 (sky) ==
"Just be yourself" is true only after you have a self that can hold [[eye contact]] and leave — which is why the assignment exists. "Be a good listener" is rapport without attraction. "Do favors" is [[neediness]]. Honesty and humor are real; they are not a pickup school.
[[Just be yourself]] · be a good listener · be nice to her · do favors for her · honesty is attractive · make her laugh · [[green flags]] / [[red flags]] · [[The friend zone]] · [[Situationship]]


Pop slang already in the glossary: [[Situationship]], [[Breadcrumbing]], [[Love Bombing]], [[Attachment Styles]], [[The Ick]], [[The Friend Zone]], [[Ghosting]]. Those pages stay. They are not Mystery Method.
== Layer 2 ==
[[Breadcrumbing]] · compliment her personality · confidence is attractive · [[Neediness|don't be needy]] · [[Don't text back immediately]] · [[Open body language]] · [[Attachment styles]] · [[Love bombing]] · [[The ick]] · be vulnerable but not too soon · [[Don't simp]] · passion and drive are attractive · women love tall guys · [[The double text]] · [[Eye contact]] builds connection


== Layer 3–4 (jargon comes in) ==
== Layer 3 ==
This is where the chart stops being an aunt and starts being a forum.
[[Don't always be available]] · [[Approach anxiety]] · [[Number close]] · [[Cold approach]] · [[Teasing|playful teasing]] · [[Sexual market value]] · [[Welfaremaxxing|tech guys don't get laid despite money]] · [[Shit test]]s · no-contact after breakup · NoFap · [[Value (pickup)|value]] · [[Logistics (seduction)|logistics]] · [[Three-second rule (pickup)|3-second rule]] · [[Daygame]] · [[Indicator of interest|indicators of interest]] · [[One-itis]] · sigma male · [[Social circle game]] · red pill · [[Hypergamy]] · [[Set a time and place]] · [[Learn to take rejection]] · [[Sexual conversation bridge]] · [[Game (seduction)|game]] · assholes get the girl · [[Let her talk about herself]]


* Anxiety and volume: [[Approach anxiety]], [[Cold approach]], [[learn to take rejection]] as attitude not a page.
== Layer 4 ==
* Diagnostics: [[Indicator of interest]], [[Shit test]], [[One-itis]], [[Logistics (seduction)|Logistics]].
[[Venue transition]] · [[Don't chase]] · [[Desire cannot be negotiated]] · [[Boundaries are attractive]] · [[Frame (seduction)|frame control]] · [[Negging]] · [[Isolation]] · [[Last-minute resistance|LMR]] · [[Push-pull]] · [[Don't be a friend]] · [[Canned opener]]s · [[Cocky funny]] · [[Mirroring]] · [[AMOG]] · [[Cold reading]] · [[Deep diving]] · [[Attraction before comfort]] · [[Social proof]] · [[Peacocking]] · [[Body count]] · [[Buying temperature]] · [[Show, don't tell]] · [[Kino]] escalation · [[Game matters more than looks]] · [[False time constraint]]s · [[Plate spinning]] · [[Build intrigue, not familiarity]]
* Channels: [[Daygame]], [[Social circle game]], [[Number close]].
* Mystery-era tools: [[Negging]], [[Peacocking]], [[Isolation]], [[False time constraint]], [[Kino]], [[Push-pull]], [[Spinning Plates]], [[Social proof]], [[Frame (seduction)|Frame]].
* Folk still leaking in: "assholes get the girl," "tech guys don't get laid," "women love tall guys" — claims, not leads. Looks and height belong on the sister wiki when they are anatomy.


The '''3-second rule''' is a real Mystery-era nervous-system hack. See [[Three-second rule (pickup)]].
== Layer 5 ==
[[Danger is sexy]] · [[Agree and amplify]] · [[Auto-rejection]] · [[Never explain, never justify]] · [[Cat string theory]] · [[Sexualization|sexualize yourself]] · [[Investment asymmetry]] · mewing · [[Field report]]s · [[Keep the tension alive]] · [[Time bridge]] · [[The man with everyone's attention]] · gaitmaxxing · [[7-hour rule]] · [[Demonstration of higher value|DHV]] · [[Welfaremaxxing]] · [[Preselection]] · [[The Cube]] · [[Disqualification]] · [[Emotional anchoring]] · [[Inner game]] · [[Never seek approval]] · [[Sarging]] · [[Counter-signaling]] · [[State pumping]]


== Layer 5–6 (named technique plus joke) ==
== Layer 6 ==
Real: [[Agree and amplify]], [[Auto-rejection]], [[Disqualification]], [[Inner game]], [[Preselection]], [[Cat string theory]], [[The Cube]], [[Sarging]], [[Demonstration of higher value|DHV]], [[State]] pumping, [[Time bridge]], [[Venue transition]], [[Compliance (pickup)|compliance]] ladder, [[Abundance Mentality]], [[Dread game]], [[Fractionation]], [[Congruence]], [[Over-gaming]].
[[Compliance (pickup)|compliance ladder]] · looksmaxxing · [[Abundance mentality]] · [[Fractionation]] · girls are silly and cute · [[Implied sexuality]] · [[Don't fix her problems]] · dream game · [[Draw with your presence]] · [[IOI scanning]] · [[Over-gaming]] · jestermaxxing · femcel mirror-vision · [[Absence is presence]] · [[Congruence]] · [[Dread game]] · microexpressions · Chad / Stacy · social-media maxxing · dating apps are 85% men · passport bros · monk mode


Jokes / sister wiki: gaitmaxxing, mewing, jestermaxxing, looksmaxxing, welfaremaxxing, Chad/Stacy, passport bros, monk mode, "girls are silly and cute." Do not build technique pages on those.
== Layer 7 ==
[[Status is communicated nonverbally]] · [[Women give wrong dating advice]] · converting to Mormonism · tattoomaxxing · intrasexual competition · retardmaxxing · unspoken rizz · the 40k lore-dump · [[Good-boy points]] · [[Assume attraction|assume rapport & attraction]] · frame splicing · [[Pay/don't pay]] · semen retention · bone-smashing · vocal physiognomy · incels who fuck


== Layer 7–10 (in-jokes) ==
== Layer 8 ==
A few resolve:
male body count matters · becoming famous · always assume · service-robot nibbāna (Roombāna) · seduction as mystery · leg-lengthening surgery · recursive shit test · autistic hypersexuality · [[She fell for the frame]] · [[Welfaremaxxing|women aren't attracted to money]] · drugdealermaxxing · frame multiplexing · liminoid bubbles · [[Self-qualification|inducing self-qualification]] · [[Silence is a shit test]] · [[You are her reality]] · cult-leader aura farming


* '''Inducing self-qualification''' → [[Self-qualification]] / [[Qualification (pickup)]].
== Layer 9 ==
* '''Silence is a shit test''' → [[Shit test]].
ontological hyperpresence · LKI trap (Deadman's Rizz) · sorcery speed trauma-dump · NLP vibe-coding · [[Ghost-flirt bounce]] · kenotic frame collapse · '''[[Authenticity|just be yourself only works if you've built a self]]''' · belief transmission · [[Tactical rapport-delay]] · Ship of Theseus frame · [[Identity-level congruence]] · [[Zeno's escalation]] · astrology is real · stream-entry · resolving on Layer 7b · [[wingman.live]]
* '''NLP vibe-coding''' → [[NLP (pickup)]].
* '''She fell for the frame''' → [[Frame (seduction)]].
* '''Just be yourself only works if you've built a self''' → the only layer-9 sentence that is also house doctrine. See [[Attractiveness fundamentals]] and the [[Newbie assignment]].


The rest (Frame Grail, Roombāna, cursed gait, quantum attraction mapping, you were the wingman all along) stays on this page as folklore. [[wingman.live]] is the product funnel, not a mystery school.
== Layer 10 (floor) ==
transition–detransition gambit · quantum attraction mapping · make her feel seen by God · you were the wingman all along · null frame injection · the identity palimpsest · ouroboros escalation · The Frame Grail · cursed gait game · there is no game · prophylactically induced midlife crisis


== This wiki's view ==
== Encyclopedia use ==
An iceberg is a joke format. The encyclopedia underneath it is not. If a phrase is a named technique with a history, it gets a page with sources. If it is "be nice to her," it stays here so nobody has to pretend it is [[Chase Amante]].
An iceberg is a joke format. The encyclopedia underneath it is not. Named techniques get pages with [[Seduction Wiki:Method|Method]] sections. Folk clichés redirect here or to the real article ("just be yourself" → [[Authenticity]]). Tongue-in-cheek floor entries stay on this page.


== See also ==
== See also ==
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* [[Seduction community]]
* [[Seduction community]]
* [[Mystery Method]]
* [[Mystery Method]]
* [[Calibration]]
* [[Authenticity]]
* [[Qualification (pickup)]]
* [[Newbie assignment]]
* [[Push-pull]]
* [[Welfaremaxxing]]
* [[List of pickup artists]]
* [[Seduction Wiki:Point of view]]
* [[Seduction Wiki:Point of view]]


Latest revision as of 00:07, 13 October 2026

Dating iceberg
Dating iceberg chart in ten layers
dating_iceberg_v2 — Wingman.live index chart
Field Internet folklore / index
Also known as dating game lore iceberg, dating_iceberg_v2
Origin wingman.live chart (dating_iceberg_v2, 2026)
Related Pickup artist; Seduction Wiki:Point of view; Authenticity

The dating iceberg is a ten-layer chart of dating and pickup lore, from folk clichés above the waterline to Wingman in-jokes on the floor. The version indexed here is dating_iceberg_v2 (Downloads, 8 September 2026), with thumbnail jokes in the margin.[1]

Layers 1–2 are mostly folk advice and pop slang. Layers 3–6 are where named pickup jargon lives — those phrases get articles. Layers 7–10 mix a few real ideas with tongue-in-cheek entries; the jokes stay on this page. Layer 9 includes the line “just be yourself” only works if you’ve built a self — see Authenticity.

Appearance slang on the chart (looksmaxxing, mewing, gaitmaxxing, jestermaxxing, bone-smashing) belongs on the sister wiki.

How to read it

Layers What it is What the encyclopedia does
1–2 Folk / pop slang Glossary pages or redirect here. Method is not "be nice."
3–4 First real jargon Real articles for named terms.
5–6 Named technique plus maxxing jokes Techniques get pages. Welfaremaxxing is the unemployed-vs-go-getter observation. Appearance-maxxing lines belong on the sister wiki.
7–8 In-jokes plus a few real frames Real terms resolve. Mormonism does not get a method page.
9–10 Floor jokes, mystic frames, wingman.live Index only, except "built a self."

Layer 1 (sky)

Just be yourself · be a good listener · be nice to her · do favors for her · honesty is attractive · make her laugh · green flags / red flags · The friend zone · Situationship

Layer 2

Breadcrumbing · compliment her personality · confidence is attractive · don't be needy · Don't text back immediately · Open body language · Attachment styles · Love bombing · The ick · be vulnerable but not too soon · Don't simp · passion and drive are attractive · women love tall guys · The double text · Eye contact builds connection

Layer 3

Don't always be available · Approach anxiety · Number close · Cold approach · playful teasing · Sexual market value · tech guys don't get laid despite money · Shit tests · no-contact after breakup · NoFap · value · logistics · 3-second rule · Daygame · indicators of interest · One-itis · sigma male · Social circle game · red pill · Hypergamy · Set a time and place · Learn to take rejection · Sexual conversation bridge · game · assholes get the girl · Let her talk about herself

Layer 4

Venue transition · Don't chase · Desire cannot be negotiated · Boundaries are attractive · frame control · Negging · Isolation · LMR · Push-pull · Don't be a friend · Canned openers · Cocky funny · Mirroring · AMOG · Cold reading · Deep diving · Attraction before comfort · Social proof · Peacocking · Body count · Buying temperature · Show, don't tell · Kino escalation · Game matters more than looks · False time constraints · Plate spinning · Build intrigue, not familiarity

Layer 5

Danger is sexy · Agree and amplify · Auto-rejection · Never explain, never justify · Cat string theory · sexualize yourself · Investment asymmetry · mewing · Field reports · Keep the tension alive · Time bridge · The man with everyone's attention · gaitmaxxing · 7-hour rule · DHV · Welfaremaxxing · Preselection · The Cube · Disqualification · Emotional anchoring · Inner game · Never seek approval · Sarging · Counter-signaling · State pumping

Layer 6

compliance ladder · looksmaxxing · Abundance mentality · Fractionation · girls are silly and cute · Implied sexuality · Don't fix her problems · dream game · Draw with your presence · IOI scanning · Over-gaming · jestermaxxing · femcel mirror-vision · Absence is presence · Congruence · Dread game · microexpressions · Chad / Stacy · social-media maxxing · dating apps are 85% men · passport bros · monk mode

Layer 7

Status is communicated nonverbally · Women give wrong dating advice · converting to Mormonism · tattoomaxxing · intrasexual competition · retardmaxxing · unspoken rizz · the 40k lore-dump · Good-boy points · assume rapport & attraction · frame splicing · Pay/don't pay · semen retention · bone-smashing · vocal physiognomy · incels who fuck

Layer 8

male body count matters · becoming famous · always assume · service-robot nibbāna (Roombāna) · seduction as mystery · leg-lengthening surgery · recursive shit test · autistic hypersexuality · She fell for the frame · women aren't attracted to money · drugdealermaxxing · frame multiplexing · liminoid bubbles · inducing self-qualification · Silence is a shit test · You are her reality · cult-leader aura farming

Layer 9

ontological hyperpresence · LKI trap (Deadman's Rizz) · sorcery speed trauma-dump · NLP vibe-coding · Ghost-flirt bounce · kenotic frame collapse · just be yourself only works if you've built a self · belief transmission · Tactical rapport-delay · Ship of Theseus frame · Identity-level congruence · Zeno's escalation · astrology is real · stream-entry · resolving on Layer 7b · wingman.live

Layer 10 (floor)

transition–detransition gambit · quantum attraction mapping · make her feel seen by God · you were the wingman all along · null frame injection · the identity palimpsest · ouroboros escalation · The Frame Grail · cursed gait game · there is no game · prophylactically induced midlife crisis

Encyclopedia use

An iceberg is a joke format. The encyclopedia underneath it is not. Named techniques get pages with Method sections. Folk clichés redirect here or to the real article ("just be yourself" → Authenticity). Tongue-in-cheek floor entries stay on this page.

See also

References

  1. ↑ Pickup artist. Wikipedia. Retrieved 18 September 2026.
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