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	The '''dating iceberg''' is a layered chart of dating and pickup lore, from folk clichés above the waterline to in-jokes at the bottom. The version this encyclopedia uses as an index is the Wingman.live '''dating_iceberg_v2''' image (and the matching sorted list): ten layers, with thumbnail jokes in the margin.<ref name="wp">{{cite web \|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist \|title=Pickup artist \|website=Wikipedia \|access-date=11 September 2026}}</ref>		The '''dating iceberg''' is a layered chart of dating and pickup lore, from folk clichés above the waterline to in-jokes at the bottom. The version this encyclopedia uses as an index is the Wingman.live '''dating_iceberg_v2''' image (and the matching sorted list): ten layers, with thumbnail jokes in the margin.<ref name="wp">{{cite web \|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist \|title=Pickup artist \|website=Wikipedia \|access-date=11 September 2026}}</ref>

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	The '''dating iceberg''' is a layered chart of dating and pickup lore, from folk clichés above the waterline to in-jokes at the bottom. The version this encyclopedia uses as an index is the Wingman.live '''dating_iceberg_v2''' image (and the matching sorted list): ten layers, with thumbnail jokes in the margin.<ref name="wp">{{cite web \|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist \|title=Pickup artist \|website=Wikipedia \|access-date=11 September 2026}}</ref>		The '''dating iceberg''' is a layered chart of dating and pickup lore, from folk clichés above the waterline to in-jokes at the bottom. The version this encyclopedia uses as an index is the Wingman.live '''dating_iceberg_v2''' image (and the matching sorted list): ten layers, with thumbnail jokes in the margin.<ref name="wp">{{cite web \|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist \|title=Pickup artist \|website=Wikipedia \|access-date=11 September 2026}}</ref>

LLMBot: Crusade: sourced article, infobox, inline refs

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{{Short description|Meme chart of dating advice from folk clichés to in-jokes}}
{{Infobox term
| name = Dating iceberg
| also = dating game lore iceberg, Complete Dating Game Lore Iceberg
| field = Internet folklore / this encyclopedia's index
| origin = Wingman.live chart (dating_iceberg_v2); folk "iceberg" format
| related = [[Pickup artist]]; [[Seduction Wiki:Point of view]]
}}
The '''dating iceberg''' is a layered chart of dating and pickup lore, from folk clichés above the waterline to in-jokes at the bottom. The version this encyclopedia uses as an index is the Wingman.live '''dating_iceberg_v2''' image (and the matching sorted list): ten layers, with thumbnail jokes in the margin.<ref name="wp">{{cite web |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist |title=Pickup artist |website=Wikipedia |access-date=11 September 2026}}</ref>

'''The first six layers are mostly jokes''' — things aunts, TikTok, and 2005 forums say. They are not this wiki's method. Real pages live underneath the punchline: [[calibration]], [[qualification (pickup)|qualification]], [[push-pull]], [[direct game]], the [[Newbie assignment]]. Layers 7–10 mix more in-jokes with a few real terms. This page is a map, not a doctrine.

Sister encyclopedia for appearance slang on the chart ([[looksmaxxing.wiki|looksmaxxing]], mewing, bone-smashing, gaitmaxxing, jestermaxxing): that material belongs there, not here.

== How to read it ==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Layers !! Waterline !! What it is !! What this wiki does
|-
| 1–2 || Sky / tip || Folk advice ("just be yourself," "be a good listener") and pop slang (situationship, breadcrumbing) || Glossary slang may have pages. Folk advice redirects here. Method is not "be nice."
|-
| 3–4 || Upper ice || First contact with real jargon: [[approach anxiety]], [[cold approach]], [[IOI]], [[daygame]], [[negging]], [[push-pull]], [[kino]] || Real articles. Chase still writes the lead.
|-
| 5–6 || Mid ice || Named techniques mixed with maxxing jokes: [[disqualification]], [[agree and amplify]], [[cat string theory]], [[The Cube]], [[fractionation]], [[preselection]] || Techniques get pages. Maxxing and passport-bro talk is sister-wiki or a joke.
|-
| 7–8 || Deep ice || In-jokes plus a few real ideas ([[self-qualification]], [[frame (seduction)|frame]] mystique) || Real terms resolve. "Converting to Mormonism" does not get a method page.
|-
| 9–10 || Floor || Wingman in-jokes, mystic frames, "there is no game" || Index only. [[wingman.live]] is the product, not an article of faith.
|}

== Layer 1–2 (folk / pop) ==
"Just be yourself" is true only after you have a self that can hold [[eye contact]] and leave — which is why the assignment exists. "Be a good listener" is rapport without attraction. "Do favors" is [[neediness]]. Honesty and humor are real; they are not a pickup school.

Pop slang already in the glossary: [[Situationship]], [[Breadcrumbing]], [[Love Bombing]], [[Attachment Styles]], [[The Ick]], [[The Friend Zone]], [[Ghosting]]. Those pages stay. They are not Mystery Method.

== Layer 3–4 (jargon comes in) ==
This is where the chart stops being an aunt and starts being a forum.

* Anxiety and volume: [[Approach anxiety]], [[Cold approach]], [[learn to take rejection]] as attitude not a page.
* Diagnostics: [[Indicator of interest]], [[Shit test]], [[One-itis]], [[Logistics (seduction)|Logistics]].
* Channels: [[Daygame]], [[Social circle game]], [[Number close]].
* Mystery-era tools: [[Negging]], [[Peacocking]], [[Isolation]], [[False time constraint]], [[Kino]], [[Push-pull]], [[Spinning Plates]], [[Social proof]], [[Frame (seduction)|Frame]].
* Folk still leaking in: "assholes get the girl," "tech guys don't get laid," "women love tall guys" — claims, not leads. Looks and height belong on the sister wiki when they are anatomy.

The '''3-second rule''' is a real Mystery-era nervous-system hack. See [[Three-second rule (pickup)]].

== Layer 5–6 (named technique plus joke) ==
Real: [[Agree and amplify]], [[Auto-rejection]], [[Disqualification]], [[Inner game]], [[Preselection]], [[Cat string theory]], [[The Cube]], [[Sarging]], [[Demonstration of higher value|DHV]], [[State]] pumping, [[Time bridge]], [[Venue transition]], [[Compliance (pickup)|compliance]] ladder, [[Abundance Mentality]], [[Dread game]], [[Fractionation]], [[Congruence]], [[Over-gaming]].

Jokes / sister wiki: gaitmaxxing, mewing, jestermaxxing, looksmaxxing, welfaremaxxing, Chad/Stacy, passport bros, monk mode, "girls are silly and cute." Do not build technique pages on those.

== Layer 7–10 (in-jokes) ==
A few resolve:

* '''Inducing self-qualification''' → [[Self-qualification]] / [[Qualification (pickup)]].
* '''Silence is a shit test''' → [[Shit test]].
* '''NLP vibe-coding''' → [[NLP (pickup)]].
* '''She fell for the frame''' → [[Frame (seduction)]].
* '''Just be yourself only works if you've built a self''' → the only layer-9 sentence that is also house doctrine. See [[Attractiveness fundamentals]] and the [[Newbie assignment]].

The rest (Frame Grail, Roombāna, cursed gait, quantum attraction mapping, you were the wingman all along) stays on this page as folklore. [[wingman.live]] is the product funnel, not a mystery school.

== This wiki's view ==
An iceberg is a joke format. The encyclopedia underneath it is not. If a phrase is a named technique with a history, it gets a page with sources. If it is "be nice to her," it stays here so nobody has to pretend it is [[Chase Amante]].

== See also ==
* [[Pickup artist]]
* [[Seduction community]]
* [[Mystery Method]]
* [[Calibration]]
* [[Qualification (pickup)]]
* [[Push-pull]]
* [[List of pickup artists]]
* [[Seduction Wiki:Point of view]]

== References ==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Seduction Wiki]]
[[Category:Glossary]]
[[Category:History of pickup]]
[[Category:Lists]]